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Welcome to our podcast. 12 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,360 This is Young Voices and Singapore. 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,320 And today our topic is how to spread the word in a multi-faith society. 14 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,640 I'm on call today with Square and Clements. 15 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,200 I'll let them introduce themselves 16 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,040 what she means when she says Clements, of course, is my dad. 17 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,200 What? Because we don't call our parents by their first name. 18 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,480 Look at how this was set up in your professional environment. 19 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,400 Oh, well, you know, it doesn't matter. 20 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,960 You see, I'm joined by my dad, and then I go. Yes. 21 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:26,520 I'm here. 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:27,800 My name is Clement. 23 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,240 You don't call me Clement, is that right? 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,080 Okay, so I'll go to John and say hi as well. 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:35,560 Yes. Greetings. 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,440 Everyone names me. 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,440 And yes, I'm looking forward to discussion. 28 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,600 And. Yeah. 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,000 Cool. 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,120 So that's all for me? 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:47,880 Yeah. 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,760 What made you choose this topic? 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,760 I think I was quite interested in this topic because, 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,360 I don't know, I was seeing a lot of, 35 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,760 things about it recently because I do have 36 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,880 a few Muslim friends, as many as I thought I did, actually. 37 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,160 I thought I had one that I realized, oh, it's actually like two people for all 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,160 I've seen on social media and in person and in schools is always like, 39 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,440 like hook up. 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,680 I'm like, yeah, that's interesting. 41 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,760 And then I also thought, 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,240 I don't know, like a lot of things especially, 43 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,240 I don't know, I don't want to say America is in America, 44 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,440 where there are Christians online 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,680 who are not crying, but 46 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,360 talking about how they feel like they are 47 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,480 the victims in today's society 48 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,600 and how they are kind of pulling out of the limelight and feeling 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,600 victimized in the way that they kind to share 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,040 their word with other faiths, and especially in 51 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,880 how things with laws currently going on in America 52 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,920 about how letting faith dictate 53 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:58,680 everyone's lives, if that's not something they've chosen to follow yet. 54 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,800 How does that work? What makes sense? 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,720 But you do know the Christians are one of the most persecuted groups 56 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,640 on the planet, and the Bible says that people will hate you because of you. 57 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,120 So you might say they're playing 58 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,440 the victim, but in the way they might be the victim. 59 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:14,520 I don't know, but what do you think? 60 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,640 I, I agree, I feel, 61 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:21,040 faith is undertaken many, many ways. 62 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,120 In the west of us, you're quite fortunate that we're not literally being killed 63 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,280 for our faith, as in some other areas of the world, but, 64 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,160 I mean, I get I get both sides in the sense of, 65 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,760 I think some of the complaints from some believers 66 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,760 of the more trivial in terms of, 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,720 I guess, 68 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,760 how popular the faith is. 69 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,800 But I will say that there are definitely, there's definitely an attack on the faith 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:46,760 and the tenets of it. 71 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,760 And I do think that, 72 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,440 it's one to be wary of. 73 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:53,920 And again, as in Scripture, 74 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,000 we've already been told that that's just how it's it's going to be. 75 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,000 So I guess just being aware of it and, you know, taking steps to, 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:04,680 move in confidence 77 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,680 and be bold with the faith. 78 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,800 So what would you say, 79 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,680 the challenges of, what what do you see 80 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,040 as the challenges of spreading the word and multi-faith environment? 81 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,600 Well, 82 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,200 that's for where. 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,000 So what do I see as the challenge as well? 84 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,320 Because there's so many different belief systems and everyone's 85 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,320 different understandings of perceptions based on what they've been taught 86 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,880 or what they choose to listen to. 87 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,160 It can be difficult to, 88 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,080 have that received well, especially when, 89 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,280 our faith calls for, you know, discipline, 90 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,920 to hold ourselves to a certain standard and to be support, to be holy. 91 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:59,080 Because human beings are very social creatures, and we we fear being extra, 92 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,680 you know, as you indicated, or stress from war or social groups 93 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,560 generally, if we're calling 94 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,080 to do 95 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,080 things that are singles, apart from people, 96 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,080 then when it does receive, you know, backlash 97 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,280 such as, you know, for instance, or not fornicating or, 98 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,040 or listen to this type of music, people automatically 99 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,920 see you as being holier than thou or thinking that you're better than them 100 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,440 when simply trying to adhere to a higher moral standard. 101 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,440 So I think sometimes that's where the challenge comes through. 102 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,400 There's some belief systems that are being propagated, not just us. 103 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,240 And then our faith is telling us to essentially 104 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,160 ostracize us from the world because of the world. So 105 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,200 that alone is going to cause backlash and, 106 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,000 vitriol, 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:50,640 in people. 108 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,440 Do you feel uncomfortable sharing your faith stream 109 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,880 with other people who of different faiths do you feel you have to accommodate them? 110 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,920 I'm not particularly accommodating. 111 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:03,320 I would say that the thought process was more. 112 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,880 Christianity is very it's a very specific thing 113 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,280 where one of our missions is to spread our word 114 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,280 and like share the love of both of the people. 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,280 And then I realized, I don't know, I'm not very well versed in other religions 116 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:22,320 like study wise, but I don't know if that's 117 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,320 a thing that they do like, if that's a thing that they 118 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,680 want to achieve, like bring more people to that faith 119 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,040 in terms of like evangelism, like, 120 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,080 I don't know, there are like 121 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,280 they feel like quite distant in a way that they kind of keep to themselves. 122 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:41,760 And they're not very they're not trying to bring more people 123 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,080 to their faith in lessons the same way Christians do. 124 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,280 Is it one particular faith, you know, this faith 125 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:51,280 in general above Judaism, Islam? 126 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,600 Buddhism, I don't and like I can't picture 127 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,720 the same like 128 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,720 evangelism as the way Christianity does it. 129 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,720 I was wondering why that was. 130 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,120 If it's difficult to spread faith, 131 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,120 like as a Christian. 132 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:10,800 I know 133 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,040 in terms of most in terms of Islam, you do see evangelism, 134 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,200 see some of them with their tables, which sometimes 135 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,320 or outside Islamic centers. 136 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,160 The Jehovah's Witnesses, you see them outside 137 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,080 the, I don't culture when this is Christian. 138 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,680 Well, that's the thing. I follow Christ with my thing of. 139 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:30,000 That's the 140 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,800 thing I was assumed, Jehovah Witnesses were just a strain of Christianity, 141 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,520 like a version of evangelism, which is different for us. 142 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,720 But they also have very different beliefs to us as well. 143 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,600 Very different. 144 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:44,960 Yeah. 145 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,400 So when you go, 146 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,280 oh, no, I was just, agreeing, 147 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,720 how I see it is. 148 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:53,080 Yeah. 149 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,000 We're not doing faith that propagates all our beliefs, but 150 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,200 I do think that 151 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,200 I think in a way. 152 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,000 I think we're not as 153 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,160 well in a sense. 154 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,560 I feel like we're more liberal in how we show our faith compared to other faiths. 155 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,160 And I think it's a good thing. 156 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,400 But yeah, I do. 157 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,400 I do recognize that similar, 158 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,880 observation, just like for the, for in terms of, 159 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,840 we are a lot more, 160 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,640 you know, broadcasting of our faith. 161 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,840 I think that does help in terms of the fact that 162 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,080 or even if it was under attack, all faith isn't as stigmatized 163 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,400 as certain, belief systems, for instance, in Islam in the West. 164 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,040 And, how you perceive as radical 165 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,880 and in some ways off as radical by some two. 166 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,840 But I think that sometimes it's a bit easier for us to broadcast that faith. 167 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,680 More often than, other belief systems. 168 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,520 I think, 169 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,520 I mean, some hard to kind of coming in, I would probably say 170 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,600 we might be looking at it from our perspective 171 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,600 of how we practice concerns here in the West. 172 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,280 If we were to look at some of the places 173 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,360 where Christians are being persecuted, for instance, northern Nigeria 174 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,080 and so many places where they actually do go out, they do set up churches, 175 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,320 they do go evangelizing, and some of the most often hospitable places where, 176 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,800 they're pretty much at risk of death. 177 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,160 We do read about these things. 178 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,240 So it might be a case of maybe looking at this from the perspective of 179 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,600 what would it be like in a multi-faith society 180 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,520 in that instance, in places like Nigeria and places 181 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,840 like Myanmar and places like that, what would it be like in the UK 182 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,440 was I find the, interesting is, though obviously 183 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:56,280 there's a lot of heavy persecution of Christianity in, other countries. 184 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,640 I think it's quite interesting because there's a lot of persecution 185 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,080 of Christians in other countries, but the only people I hear 186 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,520 speaking out about it, the loudest voices are from the West, 187 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,120 where it's not as highly persecuted as it is not the cases. 188 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:16,360 I think that's where the misconception comes through, because people who aren't 189 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,640 Christians, we're hearing that Christians are like most persecuted. 190 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,280 They've worldwide are hearing it from people 191 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,600 in America, in the UK, in Europe 192 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,920 who are being persecuted in those countries 193 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,920 will be a Christian to the same extent the other religions are. 194 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:38,000 So I think that's where the perception comes that, at least from what I've heard. 195 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:39,240 And then 196 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,440 I think in those countries as well, 197 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,760 I, I don't know if this will be considered multi-faith societies 198 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,560 because there's usually one 199 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:52,560 dominant place in the societies, and that's why they are 200 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:55,560 that. 201 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,480 Okay. 202 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,360 I think we'll just have to take this focus like really cafe and just background 203 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:01,720 noise as we just go, we'll go with that. 204 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,720 We'll go down because we'll go to the Bible. 205 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,040 Look, let's focus on the West then. 206 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,280 Now, one of I've been listening to you 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,600 listen to our podcast from Joe McComas, 208 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:20,040 Teaching the Way and it did talk about Babylon. 209 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,320 He talks about the time that the Israelites were in Babylon, 210 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,760 talked about Hollywood as well. 211 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,520 I think it was actually referring to a, movie that was made called 212 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:30,480 Hollywood, which was, 213 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,240 about the decadence. 214 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,600 And I think one of the one of the challenges. 215 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Babylon. 216 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,480 No, no, no, he likened the to Babylon. 217 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:43,360 Right. 218 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,360 Not just as a kind of a place, but, 219 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,880 a place almost like a place or a state of mind where to practice 220 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,960 your faith is difficult because you're trying to because of the society around 221 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,960 you, you're pretty much watering down your beliefs 222 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,160 to fit in with the society. 223 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,160 Exocytosis prevents you from doing that. 224 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,200 So spreading the word in an environment like that can be a bit of a challenge. 225 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,640 And the first thing to do really is, 226 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,840 recognize you're in that kind of environment 227 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,880 or an environment where the Word of God 228 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,600 as we know it is. 229 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,120 It's okay as long as it doesn't get in the way of our way of life. 230 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,520 So as long as you don't get a way of life, you're fine. 231 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,480 You can you can talk about it. 232 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,320 But once it starts affecting our way of life, like, 233 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,320 for instance, now this country is going more and more secular. 234 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,560 Churches are turning into coffee shops. 235 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,440 Once it's done standing 236 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,440 of of time multi-use because, 237 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,000 church is what it used to be, 238 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,240 more and more secular. 239 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,880 It's started and sometimes especially when it comes 240 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,960 to things like people in government and politics and stuff like that. 241 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,440 And, we as a society decide how we, govern ourselves. 242 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,400 Christianity didn't have the it doesn't have the status that used to have. 243 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,480 I think this is where the question also kind of like where I was also influenced, 244 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,680 because if we are in a multi-faith society, 245 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,480 like, is that something? 246 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,240 But I don't know, as a Christian, that's something that we would like 247 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,520 to be in, in a society because it's 248 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,520 that is what we are living in, which it is. 249 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,760 How would we allow one thing 250 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,280 to dictate government, if that makes sense? 251 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,080 Because government 252 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,600 is for everyone. 253 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,440 Well, 254 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,720 here's the thing. 255 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,880 Let's recognize, first of all that when we pray, we pray for God's kingdom to come. 256 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,600 Yeah, right. 257 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,160 We talk about God being sovereign overall, and that Jesus 258 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,160 is going to be the ruler in his kingdom, 259 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,040 which means there can't be other kingdom. 260 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,200 So you can't. It's not something you can go. 261 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,640 Health measures. 262 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:57,680 And this is what is the challenge. 263 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:00,400 Because even the multi-faith, that's what I'm saying. 264 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,760 You almost kind of apologizing for your faith, 265 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:03,920 but you have to be committed 266 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,920 because the mission is to go out and preach the gospel. 267 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,200 Let's go out and preach a true gospel of the true gospel. 268 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,080 It's this is the way it's called Mandalorian. 269 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,640 Then this is the way. 270 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,200 But we can't go ahead and start spreading the word half heartedly 271 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,400 and say, well, yeah, it's okay for you to still follow your rules. And, 272 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:22,280 do all the 273 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,480 things you've done in the past and still, you know, follow Christ. 274 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,960 It doesn't work that way. 275 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,200 So I would say in a multi-faith sort of spread the word in the Muslim society, 276 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,200 although it is a challenge, the way to do it is to stay true to your faith, 277 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,440 to not to not feel like you need 278 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,440 to apologize for what you believe, 279 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,240 and to be able to confidently tell people 280 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,640 in a way that they can understand what they believe. 281 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,640 And it's not necessarily about going around and saying, 282 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,000 because you always get the questions that, oh, does that mean that all bodies 283 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,000 are going to hell or wasn't going to hell? 284 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,600 And it's like, well, I'm here to tell you this is the way right? 285 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,080 God decides 286 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,640 because God sees the heart. 287 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,360 So it's not for us to judge, 288 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,800 just for us to just spread the word and believe the word. 289 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,120 And if you are in an environment, 290 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,120 I think if you look at all the not to preach to the Gentiles, 291 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,640 I have the Bereans who are like open thinkers. 292 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,120 That's actually a good one to look at. 293 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,480 They the people that would just like know the people that you see even nowadays 294 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,840 who try different things because they all search for something 295 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,440 they could be by tomorrow, 296 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,760 they could be Buddhist and they could turn to Christianity. 297 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,560 They're just seeking some sort of truth. 298 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,560 So they will always be that kind of society with that kind of mindset. 299 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,120 And for us to spread the faith, we just have to be true to the faith. 300 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,120 We have to have the Holy Spirit. 301 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,720 I think looking at the early, apostles looking at the acts, 302 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,520 you need the Holy Spirit and you need the word and conviction. 303 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,480 So yeah, 304 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,480 but I've. 305 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,800 Honestly, I, sure. 306 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,480 Same sentiment. 307 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,880 It's about not feeling 308 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,600 the need to appease, or standing on our faith. 309 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,960 And ultimately, it's one thing to understand that some other beliefs 310 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,600 they do, and we can't control whether somebody accepts or 311 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,680 our standpoint, but it's still 312 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,760 being confident, in your stance and, 313 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,440 having the confidence to, 314 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,440 voice that, but not, 315 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,520 I guess, 316 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,520 for salvation for to force onto people. 317 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,120 So if people want to accept it, they can. 318 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,320 But you put it personally, we're here to simply, you know, say this is the way. 319 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,960 And, you know, if they accept it, thank God for that. 320 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,200 If they don't, well, we pray that they they come around 321 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,120 to understanding of themselves and that, could reveal that truth to them. 322 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,840 But yeah, I think it's very important not to feel we to appease, our standing. 323 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,280 Because ultimately, if we compromise, then, 324 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:07,160 our faith 325 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,880 is void in that sense, because ultimately, if you're not standing for what we see 326 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,480 you believe in, then ultimately you believe in nothing at all. 327 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,320 So it is difficult. 328 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,320 And there's a lot of, 329 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,080 attack all way in terms of, 330 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,800 being able to express that freely and liberally without consequence. 331 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:33,480 But that's just the path that we've chosen and just the relative situation. 332 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,840 So, yeah, it's one thing to understand people's beliefs, 333 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:43,000 but it's another thing to also compromise our beliefs for for those other ones. 334 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,680 And as you said already, our goal is to spread the word 335 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,160 and return two ways, mainly to that through obviously voicing and speaking. 336 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,800 We also do it through our actions and ultimately our actions. 337 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,600 In some ways hold more weight. 338 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,080 Because if 339 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,040 you're if you're someone's first experience or running with what 340 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,880 Christian is and you're doing wickedness 341 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,040 or you're being, hurtful, 342 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,880 then that's going to be the impression they receive. 343 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,640 So we do have a manner which we have to behave and, act towards 344 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:23,360 by agree to ultimately. 345 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,680 Yeah, we're going to read acts chapter 17 because I mentioned Berea, 346 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,640 and I think it's an interesting one 347 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,640 in verse 16, because while Paul was waiting for them in Athens, 348 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,200 he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols. 349 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,800 Nobody like, well, I could be like Mister Multi-Faith, 350 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,160 whatever, but basically full of different beliefs. 351 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,000 Do you want to call it that? 352 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,320 So he reasoned in the synagogue, the word reasoned 353 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,680 with both Jews and God fearing Greeks, 354 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,760 as well as in the marketplace, day by day, with those who happened to be there. 355 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,880 So he was going around just having conversations with different people. 356 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,400 This is this is a clear, an example of preaching the word in, 357 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,680 the Montreal society. 358 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,920 So a group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him. 359 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,000 Some of them asked, what is this babbler trying to say? 360 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Others remarks he seems to be advocating foreign gods. 361 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,480 He said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and 362 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,280 the resurrection. 363 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:21,480 Then they took him and 364 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:27,520 brought him to a meeting of the arrest Areopagus, where they said to him, 365 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,520 May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? 366 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:31,680 You're bringing 367 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,920 some strange ideas to our ears, and we would like to know what they mean. 368 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,280 This is actually interesting that he's talking to people 369 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,440 who are thinkers, who are open minded, but we all not different. 370 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,560 So if you were speaking to the zealot or someone 371 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,880 that you cannot change their mind, but there's the Word of God for everybody, 372 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,000 all the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there. 373 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,320 Paul spent their time doing nothing but talking about 374 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,640 listening to the latest ideas. 375 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,360 So they wanted to find out, you know, what was on trend, what was the latest fad? 376 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,520 So what was interesting in verse 377 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,600 32, Paul said, Paul then stood up in the meeting 378 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,280 of the area of progress and said, People of Athens. 379 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,880 I see that in every way. 380 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,360 You were very religious. 381 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:13,360 Or as I walked around and looked carefully at the objects of worship, 382 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,880 I even found an altar with this inscription to an unknown God. 383 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,920 So your ignorance of the very thing you worship. 384 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,080 And this is what I'm going to proclaim to you. 385 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,280 So he's actually found an in into how he can actually because there are people 386 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,280 like that, as mentioned earlier on, who are looking for the meaning of life. 387 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,280 Sometimes those are the easiest people to be able 388 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,280 to spread, to see, to spread the word. 389 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,720 But you're looking for something. 390 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,320 This might just be it, but what Paul has actually done 391 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,160 is he's gone around and seen how this motif in society works. 392 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,600 So is it like nowadays where you've got kids doing mindfulness? 393 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,560 Because they 394 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,640 know that the we've been through Covid and everyone's stressed out or whatever. 395 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,200 So I think the way for us is to do a bit of meditation, 396 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,320 but let's take out the Christianity part. 397 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,480 That's almost like the thought of the unknown God. 398 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,160 You've got people who are doing their kind of wellness things, or maybe generosity. 399 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,760 God doesn't come into it. 400 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,560 So you find, you know, in a society like this, it's just that case where, 401 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,920 the people are replacing God with something else which isn't on the tree. 402 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,080 That's the problem kind of thing. 403 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,920 Or it's, case of the kind 404 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,920 of searching for something but don't know quite what it is. 405 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,520 So, yes, it is a challenge, but I think as long as we are 406 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,720 spirit led, because the Holy Spirit, where you need to go and speak to you 407 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,840 and speak to and give you the words to say, then it's possible. 408 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,840 But the only way you can do that is if you actually kind of remain in the word. 409 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,600 You have to be versed in the words. 410 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,080 You have to be reading your Bible. Let's be praying. 411 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,280 You have to be listening to God have that quiet time. 412 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,560 I think, Peter, what do you what do you say? 413 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:50,280 What happens? 414 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,760 I, I smoke and I was not 17. 415 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,600 And I mean, if you read the whole sentence. 416 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,040 Yeah, I know, you know what I read. 417 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,960 Yeah. And, I mean, so that's an idea. 418 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,640 Yeah, absolutely. 419 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,360 Yeah. 420 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:07,360 So it's not talk about Berea from verse ten. 421 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,840 And I probably would liken the Greeks to kind of our present day, 422 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,160 whether we've got people who've got different. 423 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,080 That's what I was like, thank you as well. 424 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,440 And I was wondering, that was actually a perfect example, I think, of 425 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,000 just a way of preaching in a society that isn't, 426 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:25,080 like the 427 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,280 separation between, like church and state, as they say before nowadays. 428 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,560 And it was during the two this time or whatever, probably when that started, 429 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,560 actually, the The King James Bible, it's 430 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,800 yeah. That 431 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,760 so I don't know, I know, I know, but like, 432 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,760 I don't mean like some version, King James Version. 433 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,880 There is something about that. 434 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,760 Everyone who I know that likes a King James Version version 435 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,480 does it because they've heard that more. 436 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,480 The Bible is translated the more you lose the original meaning. 437 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,600 But the truth of it is certainly crackling 438 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,600 or somebody trying to send the message, okay, it's probably nothing but the truth. 439 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,600 The truth of it really is, 440 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,080 is the Holy Spirit reveals the word to you 441 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,840 because there's a lot that's been translated from Greek 442 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,480 that didn't make into English. 443 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,640 There's a lot that was in there to make that didn't make it into Greek, 444 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,720 but it's important that you're able to communicate. 445 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,760 So if you're reading the King James Version 446 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,120 of the Bible to someone who doesn't know Jesus since or never read a Bible before, 447 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,080 you only lose on the first verse. 448 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,080 Who's King James before also King Henry the Eighth? 449 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,960 I always forget my history card, right? 450 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,840 I think he was before. Okay. Probably before. 451 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,880 It's about a glyph. 452 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,280 Yeah. Is is because whenever 453 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,440 the Church of England was created, that was every the age. 454 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,720 And I was wondering if that what happened next with translations as well. 455 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,600 I don't think they translated it again after 456 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,600 they've been various translations and it goes on till today. 457 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,800 But, even then, that's why I say it, because 458 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:03,840 if you if you listen to, preachers preaching, stay and reading 459 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,960 verses their own interpretation of what they read, to be fair, must be different. 460 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,360 I think those are any good words to have. 461 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,160 Honestly, I would like to. Queen. 462 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,840 I feel like that was a good answer. 463 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,760 The verse itself, I mean, that's what they say. 464 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,160 Whenever you have a question, just read. Read the word. 465 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,120 Yeah, you'll find an answer there somewhere. 466 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,200 So I'm going to. 467 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:23,640 Yeah. 468 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,000 So I mean I'll clean up at 17 to you guys to read that this I'm going 469 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000 to just jumped 32 470 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,320 because there's always one thing that one is preaching. 471 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,320 The what they tell somebody will tell you that's just not possible. 472 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,120 And then maybe sometimes that's what you use. 473 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,080 And the argument, if you don't get it, you don't get it. 474 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:47,400 So in 32 it says when they heard about the resurrection of the dead, 475 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,280 some of them sneered, but others said, we want to hear you again on this subject. 476 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,720 And that Paul left the council. 477 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,240 Some of the people became photos of Paul and believed among them was Dionysius, 478 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,040 a member of the. 479 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,400 There was a woman named Damaris and a number of others. 480 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,560 So some people believe some people. 481 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,640 One is, it's 482 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,880 a good seed that falls on the rocks and falls into the soil or whatever it is. 483 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,400 You know, as far as the topic is concerned, 484 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,680 this is how you spread the word in the most fit society, 485 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,360 how the world works. 486 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:18,600 Best known for the Holy Spirit and the person receiving it 487 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,360 because some will have the ears to here or not. 488 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,360 Yeah, so we'll have eyes to see or not perceive. 489 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,800 These are some could take on true. 490 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,880 Just standing strong. 491 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,880 Your faith, your beliefs and 492 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,560 understanding that not everyone 493 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,520 will want to hear what you're saying and being on stuff, 494 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,720 hoping that they find another way, another influence that leads them to God. 495 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,800 So yeah, I think that's 496 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,520 the takeaway of Audrey. 497 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,520 You will be you'll take away from all this? 498 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:52,440 Yeah. 499 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,560 My take will be just as, Philip was talking about, you know, 500 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,120 being being bold in your faith, sharing with people 501 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,560 and, not being concerned what you can't control. 502 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,560 And that is them accepting it and just praying that, 503 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,560 ultimately feel to them, you know, 504 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,560 and also, meeting people where they are, 505 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,600 people receive messages in different ways. 506 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,960 So it's very important to be able to communicate the word 507 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,440 effectively to people. 508 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,520 And one of the best ways to do the already spiritually is to be in the word. 509 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,080 And I think it's very important to, come here so, you know, to, to pray 510 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,520 and study a lot more so that we have to do so with, more effect. 511 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,480 So honestly, I agree with all the sentiment shared here, 512 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,360 and it's how I see it is what we're doing. 513 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,320 It's it's really a marathon, so to speak. 514 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,320 And ultimately, 515 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,640 our goal was to be that vessel. So, 516 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,120 if someone does here 517 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,480 and they do accept it, that we thank God that's enough of us and that's, 518 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,120 you know, joined us 519 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,280 and yeah, that's pretty much it and nothing else to say. 520 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,280 I think acts 17 alone, as I just discussed, was a really great chapter, 521 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,160 an example of, 522 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,400 what our topic is today. 523 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,280 Real excellent. 524 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,680 So, as I was told, my, scrum team, whenever you finish, 525 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:23,120 stand up, go forth and conquer 526 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,640 it. That's wrong. 527 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,400 Well, that's a that's a catchphrase of this podcast that we be wrong. 528 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,960 But he says, essentially, you see what he says as I go forth and conquer them. 529 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,440 They kind of people, after the time of Jesus up on the. 530 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,600 Yeah, and know the catchphrase of this podcast I know you waiting for. 531 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,120 That's just so I'm trying to figure out 532 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:43,840 where actually got it from, and I can't work. 533 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,240 It's not Game of Thrones. 534 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:47,920 I have no idea. 535 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,440 No, it's something I've been using for scrum meetings for a long time now. 536 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,520 Thank you. 537 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,360 Thank you all for joining us today. 538 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,320 Thank you, Peter, for bringing this topic. 539 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,800 Shame we weren't able to do this as we wanted planned. 540 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,320 Joining us some time before, but hopefully we'll hear from her 541 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,280 because I believe she's going to do her own interview. 542 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,920 And to be honest, because everyone else has done this. 543 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,000 Oh, she's you. 544 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,720 Yeah. 545 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,680 Did you that. 546 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,680 Hi, there. Hello. 547 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,600 When do you join? 548 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600 I've been looking. 549 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,920 Enough along. 550 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,920 They got me, 551 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,640 Okay. 552 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,640 So, yeah, we'll just actually finish it up, but I don't know if you got anything. 553 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,000 You what? What what point did you come in here? 554 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,040 I think I had the puddle. 555 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,760 I think the scripture, I guess, just bookable. 556 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,680 But the end of it, when you talk about, 557 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,280 your job is to send out the word. 558 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,120 I think God is on the increase. 559 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,880 Is this book about 560 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,880 knowing how to effectively communicate the words of people 561 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,560 so that I think, like, there's two things I heard. 562 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,760 Okay, well, the the topic was really around, 563 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,960 you know, how do you spread the word in the multiple in society? 564 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,320 So I'm probably going to say, you know, I'm 565 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,320 going to give you a couple of minutes if you could. 566 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,360 Because what what we talked about was, the kind of multi-faith society 567 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,360 we have where people have different beliefs on the list. 568 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,040 We talked a bit about the challenges of what that would 569 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,520 mean spreading the word in mostly society and the scripture. 570 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,960 I mentioned this at 17, where Paul 571 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,880 went around and had a look at how the Greeks and the Jews, 572 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,200 how they lived their life, what they believed in. 573 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,560 And he was able to use that to spread the gospel 574 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,160 and to meet them halfway that they have belief. 575 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,560 But this is what you should really believe in. 576 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,560 So I don't know if you want to move to the summit, if you want to, 577 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,360 with the last minutes or so, maybe you've got something to say. 578 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,400 About what? 579 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,160 It's what what 580 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,440 the challenges might be like or what way, what tips you would give someone who 581 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,240 posed a question to you, how do you spread the gospel 582 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,240 when you're living in a multi-faith society? 583 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,520 For my experience, oh God is 584 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,640 giving out your trust in and praying, 585 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,120 the ways to fellowship with God for evangelism. 586 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,360 So this time I remember I when an atheist 587 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,600 somehow doesn't believe that God existed or that God 588 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,520 at all is most revealing in science and things like that. 589 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,520 And I remember I spoke with a couple about histories of more, 590 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,480 and I was trying to preach to him. 591 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,240 I was but he's he's 592 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,040 read so much historic, so much so he knows a lot of different religions. 593 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,040 And he's talking about this one and this one and this one, and this went 594 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,280 on for so long. 595 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,760 Therefore I got I got discouraged in my spirit. 596 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:45,480 I when 597 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,480 I went home, I spoke to my pastor about these, 598 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,600 and she told me that we the more we go off our reach, 599 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,760 the more you try sharing the word of God you encounter. 600 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,920 A lot of different people are from those things. 601 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,800 You learn and grow as a Christian, 602 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,800 because encountering that person made me realize that 603 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,200 at the end of the day, as you said earlier, 604 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,360 the most you can do is like you cannot change another person's head. 605 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,200 I cannot change another person's head. 606 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,720 It doesn't matter at times, at least the country coaching methods as well, like 607 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,840 try to be nice, to try to sound so nice, but I think you are still nice. 608 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,840 Some people won't listen, you're still nice and believe. 609 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,640 So that makes me understand that I think 610 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,640 moving about it's not literally, it's not about me. 611 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,360 It's not when it comes to sharing the Word of God in society is so 612 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,440 with a lot of religious people beliefs and put on beliefs on 613 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,640 believe in different things, 614 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,440 we all hustle. 615 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,520 It all comes down to what the Word of God does, what God Himself would do. 616 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,000 Because even in Jesus's time, to other religions as well, right? 617 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,240 You wouldn't just be standing to do other things or a God 618 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,120 worshiping the Israelites themselves and their worship. 619 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,880 I or the worship bar or the thing seems like 620 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,240 even in that dispensation they too had those challenges. 621 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,440 But then if they could survive for that time easily because of what? 622 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,480 That's in the Word of God. 623 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,320 I personally believe that the Word of God itself is power, and we both say that 624 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:19,680 everything that was made, that it makes an existence, was made by the world 625 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,800 or a region that talks about how it is, how when the Spirit of God 626 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,200 hovered over the earth 627 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,680 and then he spoke your word, then he was the light, and then light up. You. 628 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,440 It gets me excited in your life 629 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,800 that the Word of God is still there, that we feel at times with the scriptures. 630 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,920 At times. 631 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,960 But this gives us a living is a life is 632 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,400 is amazing at times how we have I don't know how to explain 633 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,160 somebody who was very, very sick. 634 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,160 She had, Sebastian 635 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,480 Johnson syndrome and that's in Cameroon and that's it. 636 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,200 Our medical facilities know that code. 637 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,200 And I remember doing all that poor someone once we prayed. 638 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,440 I think that's one of the highest when I ever have a pre 639 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,200 where they see how even though for themselves 640 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240 how discouraged and discouraged nurses himself are discouraged. 641 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,800 But then we see how as you constantly pray, 642 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,120 you see how every day she gets better and better and you really believe. 643 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,680 You really know that God's what what God's word actually works. 644 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,960 So when God says a thing, he means you. 645 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,840 God says that by my stripes you were healed. 646 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:28,440 You stand turned. 647 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,600 What I believe the scripture they keep on professing it will happen. 648 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,120 You've got to say that, 649 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:35,880 ministry as children are 650 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,920 his chance to go out and preach the word is to go out and give out. 651 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,520 The word is to show love. 652 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,040 That if all these have love, then we have not needs to show love, 653 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,200 to give all the word to by showing love and other means. 654 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,360 If we do those things and trust the fact 655 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,360 that we've given down to what has got us it. 656 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,320 If you want this, I want to share this word. 657 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,320 We've given the person the word that he wanted, a person to hear. 658 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,080 And truly for Father God himself is going to change the person. 659 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,720 If you want to change the person, 660 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,880 God himself will open that person's heart if he wants to open the person's heart. 661 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,480 If we come to that point, we realize that, then we know that 662 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:14,400 irrespective of whether society is mortified or not, irrespective of what 663 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,760 people believe in, embraces of someone who doesn't believe in God 664 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,640 and God touch the person of the person 665 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,640 and God wants to change the person, he will change the person. 666 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,840 So I believe that the best way to do it, one of the best ways, 667 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,440 in the least for my experience, is to give out the word, as it is 668 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,440 another way to show law. 669 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,080 Love is always the greatest thing, no matter how it you see. 670 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,720 That is what you say that I am. Love. 671 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:43,400 She himself. God is love indeed. 672 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,080 So all devices as we show love to someone. 673 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,160 The way you live your life, the way you treat people, just the way you live. 674 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,440 And we treat people it can make. 675 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,960 So we want to come to Christ because why are you different? 676 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,680 What should wait for you? 677 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,520 What is much positivity? 678 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,080 This, this this, this, this is a good thing. 679 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,480 This character is a good character and addressing it. 680 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,320 Final. Why does this person have this character? 681 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,680 I find that because of Christ in a person they say draw the person to Christ 682 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,080 because God is like, well, you still have to understand. 683 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,640 You still have to 684 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,760 when you're spreading the word, because you can have people 685 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,760 with that kind of character that don't believe in Christ. 686 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,040 So the multiplayer society, 687 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,440 is really like CS, but trust in God. 688 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,600 But you always have to make sure that you are attributing this. 689 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,600 Like you've just said, that everything that was created was created by the word. 690 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,440 But you're talking in a society where people don't believe that 691 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,200 and they talk about the Big Bang. 692 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,000 Of course, the Big Bang, we still don't know it. 693 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000 So I'm gonna say that between people is important. 694 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,040 It's important that it's important in this. So, 695 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,680 other faiths as well. 696 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,280 When I say multi-faith, there are atheists also mean people who have a say that 697 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,600 this is what makes sense because they may believe 698 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,600 in a word, not all same word. 699 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:05,400 So I think, I do agree that, just being steadfast in your beliefs 700 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,680 and being able to live as a Christian is just 701 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,080 a really good way of spreading the word and spreading that message. 702 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,480 It's more like, 703 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,160 is, is there a way to spread faith, what, 704 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,400 to people who already have another faith, who are more? 705 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,400 Because there are people who would like, 706 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,480 I would have faith. Now, 707 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,920 when you come into Christianity, I forget what it's like, that word. 708 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,120 But it doesn't matter what the word is. 709 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,360 Yeah, I think that's what the verse comes in. 710 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,360 It's a come to life if someone leaves, like, another religion. 711 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,480 That is. Yeah. 712 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,560 Yeah, that's what I think. So. 713 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,760 Yeah, it's it's it's that's why that that's why that, x17 is important. 714 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,240 Because these are people of faith, of many faiths. 715 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,760 It was all of these are actually multi-faith people. 716 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,400 And if you look at, where I'm from, 717 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,680 you're about people open, you know, this we we we 718 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,600 we like to have multiple insurance claim, multiple insurance policies. 719 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,040 Yeah. 720 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,920 So you have the Christians going to see the native doctor 721 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:20,160 and then going to see the of, the Muslim, whatever healer, just to make sure that 722 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,720 whether it's promotion they're looking for or child of protection from enemies. 723 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,320 So this is the kind of oh, you soaked in air quotes, 724 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,560 the kind of Babylon we live in where people are just, 725 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,720 trying to find answers in 726 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:37,000 various places and just trying to absorb all or none. 727 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,480 So showing love, 728 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,240 being having a Christian 729 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:47,120 to me, having a Christian, attitude that people can see. 730 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,640 We always have to attribute it to Christ. 731 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,320 Whenever people ask me, you know, oh, you're so common situationally, 732 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,280 so whatever or whatever. 733 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,320 So, whether it's what, I know it or not, 734 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,840 I was at every point I try and attribute it to my faith. 735 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,160 I hear a lot of football footballers mentioned it as well. 736 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,880 You know, it's like you, 737 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,000 you know, love this. 738 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,680 You hear some footballers mention, it's like, oh, 739 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,360 you know, 740 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,520 how do you manage to go back there after this, 741 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,640 after the insults, you got a new website and you score the penalty or whatever 742 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,440 it is. And so it's perfect. 743 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,240 That's basically got me here. 744 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:22,320 The attributing it. 745 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,400 So the other qualities 746 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,400 you can look at them and ask yeah like I said them that's, you know, 747 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,040 the curious, you know, what is this person like that. 748 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,120 That's the opportunity. 749 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,760 That's another way spreading that word actually it's because of Jesus. 750 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,320 Plus people said when he was talking to these people, 751 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,040 it's like, you got to you got, a shrine to an unknown. 752 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,000 God wanted to tell you the unknown God is 753 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,040 you were there worshiping someone you don't know who you're worshiping. 754 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,040 The golden God is talking about is the God, 755 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,800 the unseen God. 756 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,280 But yeah, I think we're at time. 757 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,280 So once again, my apologies for the, 758 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,600 technical difficulties in getting this set up on time. 759 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,680 Hopefully we'll have another topic very soon. 760 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,960 So thank you for bringing this one. 761 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,600 Let's see if we can get one in the next couple of weeks. 762 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,440 And, I did mention actually that where going to be hearing your story 763 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,440 in your own exclusive one on one 764 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,640 my faith journey kind of thing. 765 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,320 Did I hear you? 766 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,640 Because everybody in the podcast, I think you have, 767 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,360 you don't use. 768 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,960 Mine. Yeah. 769 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,040 How I came to Faith or something like that, I think I did. 770 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,200 You have an introduction? One. I know you did. 771 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,200 I remember hearing this introduction, I had nothing. 772 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,560 Well, just by myself alone. 773 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,880 Oh, I hadn't done it the you know about it and. 774 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,000 Yeah. Because, people. Christopher. 775 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,200 Deborah Ryan, I think we has done this as well, like the whole episode. 776 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,440 It was like a whole episode of one person doing the other, I think. 777 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,480 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 778 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:55,080 Christopher. 779 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,240 Yeah. That's true. 780 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,840 Let me go on to topics. Yeah, yeah. 781 00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,320 All right then. 782 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,480 So thank you all and see you again next episode. 783 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,600 Nice to chat. 784 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,240 Thank you. 785 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,240 I still started early. Not as always. 786 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,200 It's all good. 787 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,920 So but yeah a little weekend. 788 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,640 I mean, we can.