1 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,000 Welcome to Young Voices for Christ, 2 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,080 a podcast brought to you by a passionate group of young adults from Crofton Park 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,120 Baptist Church here in South London in Brockley 4 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:28,160 Here they come together to share their faith, explore life's 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,480 big questions, and celebrate the journey of following Christ. 6 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,400 Join them as they delve into inspiring stories, engaging 7 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,560 discussions and heartfelt reflections, 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,920 all aimed at encouraging and uplifting your walk with God. 9 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,080 Whether you're seeking spiritual growth, community or just a dose of inspiration, 10 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,560 Young Voices for Christ is here to light your path. 11 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,800 Good afternoon and welcome to this episode of, 12 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,560 Young Voices for Christ 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,800 and in this podcast today we're going to be talking about faith 14 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,640 and social media, how they mix and down the line. 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,000 Today we have got two people calling in today. 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,840 So we've got Ope and we have Lum and I'll let them introduce themselves to you. 17 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,520 So Ope if you'd like to go first. 18 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,880 Good evening people my name’s Opeyemi. 19 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,280 I'm 26, and I came to the faith from a very, very young age. 20 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:29,320 I grew up in a church, and I'd say I discovered Christ for myself 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,120 around 11 or 12. 22 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,160 Truly, when I, you know, I've always presents myself. 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,480 My hobbies. 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,240 I like Japanese basketball history and, martial arts as well. 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,320 Thank you. 26 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:46,320 Thank you. And. 27 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,760 Lum?If by. Hi, everyone. 28 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:48,840 Good evening. 29 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:49,280 I'm called Lum. 30 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,280 I'm 26 years old. 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,640 I came to Christ at 17. 32 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,880 And since then, I've had quite an interesting journey. 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,560 So I'm happy to join you guys on this podcast to present to you. 34 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,240 on the topic we’ll be talking on.. 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,160 Brilliant. 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,160 So welcome both. So, 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,440 first of all, I'm gonna probably ask if either of you 38 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,440 because I guess we need the experience to be able to talk about this topic 39 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,520 are either of you actually active on social media. 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,040 I'm very active on social media. 41 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Actually, when I saw this topic it really reflected on my life as well. 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,720 I’m a very active social media girl.. 43 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,800 So what channels do you use? 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,800 All of them, or is there some that you spend most of your time on or. 45 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,480 I use WhatsApp a lot. 46 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:41,920 I use YouTube. 47 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:45,520 I use Twitter, not very often. 48 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,480 Instagram. Very rarely. 49 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:48,840 Okay. 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,120 The sites that I use it for media for school. 51 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,560 A lot, but that's the main for now. 52 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,200 All right. 53 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,120 How about you? 54 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,480 I'd say I'm active, 55 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,680 but not in the same way as I used to be when I was much younger. 56 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:12,560 I would be posting things, jumping into discussions, sharing my voice more so. 57 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:17,400 But I'd say over the last I say six or so years 58 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,560 I've been using social media more so for, branding cause I do content creation. 59 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:28,640 So for me, when I do use social media, whether it's YouTube, Twitter or 60 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,320 sometimes, well, Twitch as well, it's more so to, 61 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:38,720 produce content rather than engage in certain discussions. 62 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,080 But I do tend to read what people say and evaluate it myself. 63 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,680 But as in for jumping into it specifically in conversations. 64 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,680 I don't do that as much anymore. 65 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,600 Okay. 66 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,120 So, I was going to ask you now how you use 67 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,040 social media, in which ways you use it, 68 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,240 but there's so many different ways to use it, I guess. 69 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,840 But if we were to look at it as, I mean, the topic today is faith 70 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,560 and social media, how would you say 71 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,240 we could use social media itself as a mission field? 72 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,320 Well, how would you? 73 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:16,600 I will told you I would come across, I would say a good way to do that would be. 74 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,040 Well, for one, is sharing the Word 75 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,240 I'd say it's a really good way to capture the algorithm. 76 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,960 And you'd be surprised how many people will see your posts. 77 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,320 We think that just because you're not getting 78 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,080 a lot of viewers or followers, the people aren’t seeing our posts 79 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,960 when they're not being seen, and that's not the case. 80 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,240 And even if that, means sharing a Bible verse 81 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,960 or putting a scripture for discussion, I think it was a 82 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,720 one of the easier ways to promote the Word promote your faith as well. 83 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Would you say, 84 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,960 would you agree with that Lum or have you've got some other ideas? 85 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,480 I do agree with what he just said. 86 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,280 I'm personally being introverted. 87 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,920 The highest, the easiest to have found. 88 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:03,000 Sharing the Word of God on social media is through WhatsApp. 89 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,720 As he said, posting scriptures, on your status, for example. 90 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,040 you could just make it a habit every day you put a scripture on it. 91 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,040 I just remember there was this time a friend of mine, she gave this testimony 92 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,880 that she was going through a hard time in her life and this is someone’s status. 93 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,440 She constantly looked at every day and that person had scriptures. 94 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,640 And coincidentally, those scriptures helped her 95 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,600 it spoke to her every single day. 96 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,600 So you realize the importance, the essence of 97 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,840 using your status correctly to just share scripture. 98 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:35,280 Share a message. 99 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,440 You may not know the impact you're creating, 100 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,400 but that message is helping someone. 101 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:39,800 And that's true. 102 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,520 And of course, we realize that 103 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,880 those who remember that it's not our job to change people it’s 104 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,160 the Word of God that changes people. 105 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,160 So as children of God it’s our main task to keep the Word out there 106 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,040 so we can do that through our status putting our status 107 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,600 for those who are more extrovert. 108 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,600 You probably do videos I’ve watched a couple of people 109 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,920 on Instagram, they put videos on TikTok, they put videos. 110 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,920 And if you look at it, it was quite up quite, 111 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,480 famous preachers who have who broadcast, 112 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:12,680 their services on social media accounts on YouTube there’s even this program 113 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,200 I attended once and it was held on YouTube all over the world. 114 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,360 So I think that 115 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,920 that's what we can use all those means to propagate the Word of God. 116 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,760 You could have a YouTube channel and put videos on Instagram. 117 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,240 You could put pictures to Tik Tok, 118 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,320 you could make short clips about the Word of God, 119 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,520 about even a testimony, something God has done for you. 120 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,640 But I think the essence of all those platforms is for us to use 121 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,640 it as children of God to send out the Word of God, 122 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,520 which will impact people's life, because the Word of God truly has power. 123 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,360 Amen to that. 124 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,640 I notice we've just been joined by, 125 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Pippa she just joined us on the call. So. 126 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,880 Hello Hi. 127 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,840 Hi Pippa we're going to we're talking about faith and social media. 128 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:02,040 We've only just about started, 129 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,280 and we were talking about how we can use social media as a mission field. 130 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,920 And the couple of examples we've spoken about now, 131 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,920 sharing the Word of God 132 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,920 through the social media channels, that for me would be the obvious one. 133 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,000 But how would you and I'm going to direct this question to you Pippa 134 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,480 maybe you can come in on this one. 135 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,440 How would you go about sharing God's love 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,720 and the Word without being, I'm going to use the word preachy.? 137 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,600 So, you know, some people might get turned off as soon as you start mentioning 138 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,600 Jesus or the Bible or stuff like that, because they just think 139 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,560 it doesn't apply to me and I don't want it. 140 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,160 I don't, I don't I didn't come on here to hear that. 141 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,200 So how would you go about 142 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,440 still showing God's love through your interactions on social media? 143 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,280 But without what people are calling. 144 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:47,800 I think 145 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,200 maybe in the sense of like creatives online, 146 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,920 it really depends on what speaks to a person. 147 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,520 So I'm like really invested in things like comics and art. 148 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,720 And I've been following this one account recently that posts like 149 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,440 it's like her own, 150 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,440 visualization of the New Testament. 151 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,600 So she's made this whole comment, this comic, 152 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,040 following like the disciples and things and even people 153 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,720 who aren't like, baptized aren't followers of the faith or anything. 154 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,760 They find that they enjoy engaging in content like that because 155 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,400 it feels very human for them. 156 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,360 The same way that The Prince of Egypt was such a big blockbuster movie, 157 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:36,800 and it was about the Exodus, about Moses’s story. 158 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,320 It's because there's a way that art, I feel like relates to people, 159 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,800 especially through like channels, like social media, being able to share 160 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,360 like, creative visualizations, a story like that. 161 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,720 And because they are stories, there's like always ways to, 162 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,880 make them relatable in a sense, 163 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,720 make you feel more human, more, realistic than sometimes. 164 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,480 Myths and fables tend to be and that;’s like the difference 165 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:10,080 with like sharing the Word online in these kind of formats, 166 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,640 because it feels more like a just a story, like a human story 167 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,040 that could happen to anyone, if that makes sense. 168 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,240 Yeah, that sounds quite right. 169 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,280 I was going to say as well, I think. 170 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:25,240 Was it Fran or one of the preachers in recent times did mention 171 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,280 something about the ability to be able to preach without saying a word. 172 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,800 So sometimes when you're interacting with people on social media 173 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,800 as well, the way you interact can actually show the love of God. 174 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,680 So they might be talking about something else 175 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:41,560 and your manner and the way you respond and the language you use or don't use. 176 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,840 Could also, in a way, make people 177 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,440 kind of sit up and take notice and go, what's this person about? 178 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,200 I'd like to know who you know. Where do they get that optimism from? 179 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,080 Where did they get that bright, attitude from? 180 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:59,160 And the more they kind of delve in because like you say, 181 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,440 if you find something and you like their content 182 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,480 that kind of appeals to you, you might start looking for more content. 183 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,480 And the more they get involved in what you're about 184 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,000 and they start to figure out, oh, okay, this person is a Christian. 185 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,080 This person follows God. 186 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,360 And maybe that's why they are as bright, 187 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,560 optimistic and hopeful and faithful as they are. 188 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,840 So that's another way of doing it. 189 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,280 So that's that's fine. 190 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,480 So we know social media is a minefield of everything 191 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,440 good, bad and ugly, mostly the bad and ugly. So 192 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,920 what what ways can we 193 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,640 kind of stay true to our values when we're engaging in stuff? 194 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,760 So, for instance, what would trigger me now is if somebody puts post out about 195 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,040 maybe Trump or something or some injustice or something to do with racism. 196 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,840 So how do you how do you stay true to your values 197 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,680 when you're faced with those kind of situations? 198 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,000 Or do you not get involved in those kind of conversations. 199 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,440 When you see those conversations, you just walk away,? 200 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:58,080 Not necessarily. 201 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,400 I won’t walk away In most cases, I hope as long as I'm not, 202 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,840 I don't let myself get angry about 203 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:06,600 at times. 204 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,520 It's possible to get mad about it but I also remember, I remind myself that 205 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,000 As a child of God am allowed to get angry. 206 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,080 that is true I should learn how to control my anger? 207 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,120 And I should not let it get to me. 208 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,880 Rather My pastor once mentioned 209 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,880 that the church is a place for people who are sick. 210 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,960 So me being more aware of the fact that these people saying 211 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,960 these or doing these things, I know of the fact that most of them 212 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,960 are not aware of the fact that what they are doing is wrong, 213 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,280 it’s my job as a child of God, as a Christian, to indeed correct them. 214 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:42,440 So it's true. 215 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,920 If someone posted a comment or something that is quite rude or quite insulting, 216 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,880 insulting the person back is very is is 217 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:52,840 doesn't solve it. 218 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,440 Two wrongs do not make a right do they? 219 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,440 So I think the best way to heal person is to show love, 220 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,720 as you mentioned earlier about that. 221 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,040 And anther way of sharing the Word of God 222 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,680 so you can share the work without having to talk, 223 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:09,080 but the way in which we talk 224 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,360 or the way in which we respond to people can still show God's love. 225 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,840 So I think, for instance, an instance, 226 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:20,000 the best way I shown the best thing I think I can do is to respond in love 227 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,440 so the person can see the person is trying to provoke, 228 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,160 response out of your native response. 229 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,240 They respond in love and the person sees that there's something, 230 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,800 no matter how different people people are in the world. 231 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,760 Love is something that everyone wants. 232 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,120 Kindness is something everyone wants. 233 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,440 So I think the best way to respond to this is show love and to show kindness, 234 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,720 irrespective of how it makes you. 235 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:45,800 Irrespective of how 236 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,680 So how bad it may seem or how hurtful we may have been for you. 237 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,760 Even Jesus was, Stephen was taunted A lot of disciples, 238 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,040 went through a lot of terrible things they were stoned 239 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,040 and by people they were preaching to for them to get saved 240 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:00,920 But still they didn't curse 241 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,080 even when Stephen was stoned because they will say, 242 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,800 father, please forgive them, for they did not know what they are doing. 243 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,480 So the best for me, the best reaction. 244 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,520 What I've learned so far on the Word of God is always to show 245 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,520 love, also show kindness, and always to and to pray always. 246 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,200 Let God help these people to come to know Him 247 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,200 so that we all can be transformed, and we all can be changed. 248 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:20,880 So actually. 249 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,200 It's kind of a toxic environment as well. It's also, 250 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,320 how do you I mean, 251 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,160 there's a challenge there as well, how you don't get sucked into it. 252 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,440 I'm not sure if you've ever heard of the Berean Cell or something like that. 253 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,080 It's almost like 254 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,080 where you're trying to the people you're trying to reach. 255 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,400 If you're not careful, you can be tempted and end up 256 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,280 making the mistakes that they're making because you're kind of sucked into 257 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,360 that space. 258 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,120 So I'm just wondering how we deal 259 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,120 with those kind of toxic influences. 260 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:01,600 I'd say a way of dealing with it is, 261 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,800 I think, going back to, you know, who we are and what identity is. 262 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,040 And as believers as, as those in the body of Christ, 263 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,040 we know that certain standards we’re meant to uphold. 264 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,960 And certain values are meant to not only, abide by, but to share also. 265 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,000 And, you know, as Lum was talking about how we engage and showing love, 266 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,840 you know, showing grace to people and praying people as well. 267 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,920 You know, we understand that, about art, carnal, the spiritual. 268 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,960 So in that regard, as we know that 269 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,360 when it comes to and influences of certain people, 270 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,080 we know that it’s not necessarily the person we're dealing with 271 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,120 but it’s the spirit behind that person we're dealing with. 272 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,600 I think that perspective does help, and I think sometimes 273 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:50,640 the best way to combat that is either to not engage in those circles. 274 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,960 But when they do arise or you are being attacked, directly 275 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:00,320 it is to confront, as Lum says, with love and, it's easier said than done. 276 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,200 But I do think even what Lum touched on to, before we saw discussion 277 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,200 about being intentional with, 278 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,760 what we do and how we respond to things does matter. 279 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,600 So being intentional with, how we talk to people, 280 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,440 how we interact with people and ensuring that we're still showing our love 281 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,120 and that grace. 282 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,640 I think those are ways we can, combat those, negative influences on social media. 283 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,160 You know? 284 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,080 But yeah, I agree as well. 285 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,880 I think one of the common, I don't know if pitfalls is the right word, 286 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,880 but something I see a lot maybe not, 287 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,080 in the UK specifically, but on like people 288 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,840 I follow who are Americans videos and things on TikTok. 289 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,120 The comments that they get on videos not really relating 290 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,840 to faith or religion, where there's a lot of Christians in the comments, 291 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,120 saying that they want to pray for them, which is a kind thing to do. 292 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,800 And it's like the way that you lead your life as a Christian. 293 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,240 It's just something you go out of your way to do because you care 294 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,040 about the state this other person's in, and you would like to 295 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,760 just say that you're thinking of them and they trying to do good things for them. 296 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,800 But at the same time, it's kind of, 297 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,720 putting them at a disadvantage because 298 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,160 it doesn't really like it doesn't relate 299 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,600 to what the person's like talking about or sharing online, 300 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,960 but it's not something that they wanted if that makes sense. 301 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,280 So now they feel like they're being somewhat attacked in that sense. 302 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,640 So I feel like navigating social media, especially comments 303 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,640 and like those kind of like discussion groups. 304 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,080 As a Christian, I feel like sometimes we can feel like we're very much 305 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,080 not wanted in this discussions or that, 306 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,280 help or advice isn't wanted. 307 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,720 And it feels like there's a very negative connotation. 308 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,720 But I feel like if we 309 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,680 like address 310 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,520 the not correct situations with situations 311 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:12,320 where someone's open and like, willing to hearing us out or hearing that, 312 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,360 that kind of perspective, 313 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:18,360 because I feel like sometimes on social media everything's very 314 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,320 everyone's in a bubble. 315 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:21,320 It's very close minded. 316 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,480 No one wants to hear the other side's point or just hear 317 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,520 anything that they think they disagree with. 318 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,320 So I feel like that's something with social media as well. 319 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,320 That quite happens quite a lot. 320 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,400 I think that's one of the reasons why it's always good to get, 321 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,600 that kind of, I would say balanced opinion. 322 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,000 I think it's, it's what Lum said about prayers is important because before 323 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,640 you go into that kind of territory, you do need to be prepared 324 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,480 because you can easily slip and slide into, 325 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,480 a mire of comments and stuff that could trigger you. 326 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,000 So going in prepared is always good. 327 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,280 I think monitoring 328 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,920 how much time you spend in those areas as well is also good because, 329 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,720 nowadays with the algorithms, the kind of stuff is fed to you. 330 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,520 It comes at you in such a torrent on on the news today that we're talking about, 331 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,240 these kids died from doing that challenge challenge 332 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,240 a couple of years ago or so, and they're suing TikTok. 333 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,880 Because they said the amount of material and stuff 334 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,280 that was coming at them based on the algorithm was more then 335 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,040 I guess it's for someone and can deal with can handle. 336 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,120 So you might not even realize you're 337 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:37,480 being you’re being, what's happening to you? 338 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,840 You're just getting stimulated by all of this content just coming at you. 339 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,120 So looking after that screen time, I think is, is is is an important thing. 340 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:49,560 Just checking yourself to make sure you're not staying on there for too long, 341 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,160 setting your boundaries on that and what content you engage in. 342 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,120 And I think as well, it's also important to kind of be discerning 343 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:00,800 about the content you engage in, because some of it starts off as innocent, 344 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,520 but it's always good to find out the source. 345 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,200 Like you said, 346 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,640 if someone's giving you if you see something you like 347 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,000 liking it straight away without finding out 348 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,280 what else this person's about or what else ihs, channel’s about, 349 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,560 you start to get stuff from this. 350 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,360 And what they give you might just be to entice you in 351 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:19,880 because it kind of appeals to you. 352 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,440 But then what they’re really about isn't that so? 353 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,000 And I hear what you're saying, Pippa about in some of these places, 354 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,360 what we've got to say, may not always be welcome. 355 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,360 But if you think about it, 356 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:34,360 Jesus always had a word for people who didn't want to hear his message. 357 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,040 And I think it's how you frame it. 358 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,000 It is whether or not they want to hear your message. 359 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,080 And yes, I think I know social media is very polarized right now. 360 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,920 You have to pick a tribe. 361 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,320 You belong to 5 or 6 of them 362 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,440 and not really know which one you stand for in the end of it. But 363 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,760 if you kind of spend a lot of time in prayer, 364 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,800 God will give you the words you need sometimes to just 365 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,760 decide, I'm just going to leave this word 366 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,080 here in the comments and whoever takes it takes it whoever. 367 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,600 I don't take it. It's good. 368 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:04,720 I've done my bit 369 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,840 I’m moving on 370 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,880 because you can't bash somebody 371 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,640 over the head with a rock and say, you must believe. 372 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,560 You must believe. 373 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,640 So, I mean, we talk a lot about the dangers, 374 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:18,240 and I think it's important of us understanding, the data, social media. 375 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,760 And, I mean, we've got grown people here all over 20. 376 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,960 So I'm sure you pretty much know the dangers of social media. 377 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,200 You might not have known about that when you were in your teens. 378 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,880 Things 379 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,880 like cyberbullying, addiction and fake news. 380 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,440 I mean, what's what's what's been your experience of those three 381 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,200 and how kind of advice would you say you are at picking up 382 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,520 on that kind of, that kind of stuff that's out there? 383 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,400 And with if I'm traveling, this is something I've experienced 384 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,800 personally because I don't put content on social media, 385 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,200 or if it's not the scripture, then I'm not there at all. 386 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,360 I can just view won't do anything with cyberbullying. 387 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:58,360 I've seen a couple of people, 388 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:01,320 but these people are not even Christians and other people 389 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,000 I don't know, but at times could check in your comment sections. 390 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,120 I see some many bad things, so definitely just don't kill yourself. 391 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:11,040 I'm looking at it. 392 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,640 Makes me feel like, oh, how do we manage to get to the point 393 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,760 where they and I can just tell someone will kill them? 394 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,160 So like the human being that someone's child, a son, sister 395 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,000 or family like empathy is something that 396 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,840 be. What about Christians or not? 397 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,960 At least we should have. 398 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,080 But then we see that it's so rampant nowadays. 399 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,880 People insulting online, people wishing the worst for each the online 400 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,320 and it's so bad because then the new generation, 401 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,480 the young generation that's coming up, that's all the 402 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,560 those the kids are exposed to that they see and they pick it up. 403 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:51,800 Knowing that is easy. 404 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,480 It is is so much is is just looking for someone online. 405 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,120 If you want to say things to people online, remember listen to this person. 406 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,320 Want to possibly Facebook? 407 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,720 Click on the person said 408 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,000 The reason she doesn't let those things affect her 409 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,440 is because she knows that the people in the anglophones 410 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,680 who write those things online, they did probably meet her in person. 411 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,280 They won't be courageous enough to say those things to their faces. 412 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,480 So I just I just want to realize that because what 413 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,000 whether or not we are Christians as well, if our words have an impact 414 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,040 in what you say to someone, what about what comes out of your mouth? 415 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,200 Missus will understand that 416 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,840 we'll give an account for every word that leaves us mouth. 417 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,640 So strange for myself, wanting to be cautious of something, to be. 418 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,920 Oh, well, I want to be careful. 419 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,360 Now, what do I think I'm saying? 420 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:43,560 I should be cautious with the fact 421 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,560 that it won't have a negative impact on someone else. 422 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,520 What if you just tell someone? 423 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,680 Okay, so when a person's going to make that a mental breakdown or something 424 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,480 that actually goes and kills himself, can you be responsible for that? 425 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,480 And is so, 426 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,240 the thing is false for thought to oh well, Devils, let's be careful 427 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,200 also for all of us to know that our words have an impact. 428 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,800 Both truly have an impact on first. 429 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,400 So trust. Well, some 430 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,360 sensitize you to what these are. 431 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:18,120 Friends are colleagues or classmates about the way 432 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,400 we talk to people who have nothing good to see. 433 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,240 Just keep quiet. 434 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,000 You will see something if you have nothing positive to say, nothing good to see. 435 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,200 Just keep quiet and it won't hurt anyone. 436 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,400 You know there's a word for that. 437 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,400 What's it mean? 438 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,200 So Ephesians 429 439 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,200 says that do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth, 440 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,160 but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs. 441 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,160 They may benefit those who listen. 442 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,840 I guess if I was to be a English translation now I'm doing the translation. 443 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,080 You must not let any unwholesome look come out of your mouth, 444 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,080 but only what is beneficial for the building up for the one in need. 445 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:00,720 That it will give grace to those who hear. 446 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,280 So kind of sums up what you just said, the apostle. 447 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,000 You're going to say something? 448 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,480 Yeah, I'll just speak in agreement. 449 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,520 When it comes to, 450 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,520 what we say, even online, is true. 451 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,040 Everything carries an energy. 452 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,880 And, you know, as part of life and death on a tongue. 453 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,400 So we have to be very careful about what we say. 454 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,400 And as Liam said, perfectly. 455 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,000 You know, if we have nothing good to say, 456 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,880 it's not to say anything at all about the dangers. 457 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,080 I think with, 458 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,280 social media or online 459 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560 communication is the anonymity that provides. 460 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:40,200 It kind of provides this false sense of, what we disseminate 461 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,000 and it doesn't have any consequences or doesn't carry forth, 462 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,240 you know, a spiritual energy. 463 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,080 And that's very dangerous because as you talked about, 464 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,960 we can easily, these someone astray or, 465 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,360 you know, disparage someone or, 466 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,640 conversely, we can lift them up, we can encourage them. 467 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,160 So again, social media is a medium. 468 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,360 That's what it is. 469 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:08,000 And we can use that for good or for bad and even for them for now, 470 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,400 when it comes to fake news and how to navigate that. 471 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:13,320 I think 472 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,320 one thing that's important is to really, 473 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:18,440 pray for the sermon about 474 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,560 what are the agendas behind a message or post is because ultimately, 475 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,920 whenever something is posted or creates it, there's always an intent behind it, 476 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,280 and it's asking for at the summit to see it because, 477 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,920 you know, we don't know everything. 478 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,080 And each of us have, as much as we shouldn't 479 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:38,120 be impartial, we do have our biases on our own. 480 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,120 You know, leanings. 481 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:45,520 So it's very important, also discernment to really decipher what exactly is 482 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:51,120 the saying and is edifying, for one and two, is it true? 483 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:54,560 And, there's so much noise, misinformation, disinformation out here. 484 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,040 And it definitely is. 485 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,680 Only to really grace and, you know, the spirit that in this day 486 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,680 and age we can really pick apart which true and what isn't 487 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,800 because of how much there is, out there right now. 488 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,400 But yet but I've, I've seen this as a cyberbullying. 489 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,160 I've seen instances of where, people trying to deceive others online. 490 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,760 And in both cases, it really is about, I'd say, pray for discernment. 491 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,840 And again, being intentional 492 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,720 with, where we're going and who we're, engaging with. 493 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,600 Yeah, I like that. 494 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,920 We're engaging with, I think as Christians, 495 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,920 I think it's important to be mindful about what you post 496 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,600 and making sure that whatever you post or whatever you even like nowadays, 497 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,320 see, just a casual like needs a lot of trouble. 498 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,000 So what you post what you like or what you kind of endorse, as it were, 499 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,840 needs to align with your beliefs, because we do get a lot of scrutiny. 500 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,200 And if we say, oh yes, we're Christians, we're child of God and all that 501 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,800 kind of stuff, and you go liking a post that doesn't quite align with that belief, 502 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,200 then that harms people who are looking to people who say 503 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,200 they are children of God for guidance because they'll think, well, 504 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,320 if that person is into this and likes that, that's a bit confusing. 505 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,800 I don't get it. And then you've lost someone there. 506 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,520 Oh, awesome. 507 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,840 I'm grateful I've never had a bad experience with social media. 508 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,200 Personally. 509 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,400 I think, on social media, I'm just more of a private person, 510 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,400 so I usually interact with my friends or interact with content 511 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,000 from like the source. 512 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Like any media I'm interested at the time, 513 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,440 I would only like, really have very, 514 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,480 a very passive interaction with social media. 515 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,040 I would say, I'm not really want to look at comments, I'll get into that. 516 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,600 But I mean, I feel like everyone knows someone in their youth, like, especially 517 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:59,400 around the age of the younger members of this podcast who's gone 518 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,320 through some sort of cyberbullying or seen or heard or something similar to that. 519 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,440 It's really bad around that young age when they don't really have them, or 520 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,960 maybe the the tools to properly understand, 521 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,480 like just how much of themselves are putting online. 522 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,000 Sometimes they don't really know how to distinguish between that 523 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,280 social media presence and then their personal private lives. 524 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,440 They kind of just mix the two, which I think is where the danger 525 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,240 kind of lies sometimes social media use. 526 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,480 But, like one advice 527 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,480 I probably have for the young Christians on social media 528 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,680 is to have that kind of that line, 529 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,840 to be able to have a very clear distinction 530 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,680 between their social media presence, whatever they put online, 531 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,920 as long as it is not putting them in danger, 532 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,800 things that they would like to post, to share, 533 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,160 and in their personal life, I feel like you can't give yourself 534 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,280 too much of yourself away 535 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,480 to social media, regardless whether it's C is very positive. 536 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,040 I feel like 537 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,720 you just do have to protect ourselves when it comes to something 538 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,040 like social media, because in the end, it's it's all terrible. 539 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,240 Social media is never going to be benefiting the user. 540 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,200 I was going to say it's fun, it's nice to use, but it's definitely important 541 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,200 to distinguish the difference between 542 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,320 like how you interact, the 543 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,560 and then like 544 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,600 maybe not who you talk to in person, but more like. 545 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,880 Yeah, just being able to acknowledge 546 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,320 that these people are behind the screen and they feel very emboldened by that. 547 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,760 The things they say they'll probably never say to someone's face 548 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,920 because they don't have the courage. 549 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,120 And that's why 550 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,680 comment sections online are terrible because they feel 551 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,000 emboldened by the sense of animosity. 552 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,720 And so the bullying police accounts, something quite 553 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,720 interesting said about what you said, almost like a letter to younger self. 554 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,440 You know, they've been talking about this. 555 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,680 What I mean, what do you what do you feel about this? 556 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,080 Move towards restricting under 16 from social media. 557 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,680 So Australia I think they've I'm not sure if they've gone into law now. 558 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,240 It feels like as I think they ban social media for under sixteens. 559 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,840 Would you say that was harsh. 560 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,320 You'd say that sexual assault to save a few. 561 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,320 I don't know how they're going to what's the word 562 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,320 log policy, 563 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,840 how they're going to be restricted, like how they're actually going to physically 564 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,720 make sure that's the thing that's being upheld, because I feel like 565 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,760 any child would still bypass it in some way, shape or form. 566 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,240 So I don't know how they're going to, 567 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,560 actually criminalize it, if that makes sense. 568 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,560 Well, I think if you look at the way we look at, 569 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,640 making it illegal for some people under a certain age to buy alcohol, 570 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,760 so it's illegal to buy alcohol in this country 571 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,280 under the age of 16 or 18, I can't remember. 572 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:57,600 I should, 573 00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,760 18, 18. 574 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,520 But when you're within the family, like, you can't really police 575 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,800 something like that, especially with phones. 576 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,440 WhatsApp's legal age is 16. 577 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,560 I think you said 15 otherwise. 578 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,560 Chris Wood 15. 579 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,560 Yeah, but kids who have WhatsApp 580 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,560 because their parents give them WhatsApp by the age of ten, 581 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,280 it's like, I don't know how they would actually police it. 582 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,920 So you would hold the adult responsible. 583 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,720 So if a cyberbullying incident happened and the child 584 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,600 ended up harming themselves or something related to that, not in the panel. 585 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,160 We also wouldn't have to go that far if it could be proven 586 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,680 that the child has been given access to social media, 587 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,840 so there would have to be a reason for the police to get involved now. 588 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,000 Yeah, it could be something 589 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,840 as simple as another kid finds out that somebody under 16, 590 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,960 their classmates has got a WhatsApp account, could be as simple as that. 591 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,880 And then laws being broken, someone's going to be held responsible. 592 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,160 Could either be the social media firm for not making the right checks, 593 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,200 or could be the parent for not looking after their child properly 594 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,040 and maybe giving them the account, because to enforce some things, 595 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,240 they will ask you to have an ID to sign up for, maybe a WhatsApp account. 596 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240 You need a credit card, which you have to be a certain age maybe to get it. 597 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:12,920 So there are ways of enforcing it, 598 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,920 but doesn't mean they're going to get everybody but 599 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,720 do you think anyway, just putting aside 600 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,680 how difficult it will be to police it, do you think it's a good idea? 601 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,200 I personally think no, because I don't think it's 602 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,560 going to do much to stop kids getting social media, 603 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,640 maybe from very young ages because they're old, like kids 604 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,640 who are below 13 on social media, which is terrifying. 605 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,480 But as soon as they get into secondary school, that age range, 606 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,480 I don't think it's going to stop them from finding any source of social media. 607 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,080 I'll just kind of clarify the alcohol one. 608 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,840 It's illegal to give alcohol to children under five. 609 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,560 However, it's not illegal for a child aged 5 to 16 to drink alcohol at home 610 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,960 or on other private premises. 611 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,280 So now we know. 612 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,640 Yeah. 613 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,920 What do you think about the idea of banning social media for under 16? 614 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:00,880 Do you think is a bit harsh, 615 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,880 or do you think it's actually going to save some lives? 616 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,360 She didn't mention that. 617 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,160 They didn't think them to be effective, which is probably true. 618 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,160 The first two kids on the aged in conscious way 619 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,760 that we should avoid drinking alcohol. 620 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,680 That's to drink alcohol. 621 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,440 But I think just the fact that the government has taken a step, 622 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,320 I've made an attempt to try and limit this. 623 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:30,120 I think it's a good step because kids, kids are quite a child 624 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,840 is that they can container when they're young and whatever 625 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,760 you put in them then forms them and shapes them to the other, they become. 626 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,440 So I do believe from the age of 0 to 16, 627 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,480 if they go back and try to limit the exposure to social media, 628 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,040 although it may not be 100% effective, I do think 629 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,760 at least a child who would benefit from this, 630 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,360 I think is I think it's a good idea personally. 631 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,720 Okay, okay, I'll put you. 632 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,880 I'd say it's a good idea, but not not 633 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,000 not standalone. 634 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,000 So I do think it's as important, 635 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,480 if not more so, is teaching children of the age to understand 636 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,440 the dangers of social media and what they may encounter, 637 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,560 because restriction in of itself, 638 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,520 I feel well for children of age. 639 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,560 Sometimes it does incite rebellion because children naturally 640 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,120 go rebellious to order. 641 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,280 So I would say what's just as important is ensuring they understand 642 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,760 what the dangers are and informing them so that when they now have the reins 643 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,920 to access that domain, they know how to do so responsibly. 644 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,800 But you need of itself. I don't think that's a bad thing. 645 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:51,880 I do think that there 646 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160 definitely should be an age limit when it comes to access to social media. 647 00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,800 And to be honest with you, with how much information is readily available. 648 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,880 I think for young individuals, you know, their minds are like sponges. 649 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,840 Sensory overload is real. 650 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,600 I do think that that age limit isn't a bad idea, but 651 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:19,080 it must be accompanied by some element of, guidance and understanding as to why, 652 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,840 they need to be mindful and responsible how they, 653 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,080 engage on social media. 654 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,920 Okay. Yeah. 655 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,000 I mean, oh, good points. 656 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,160 And I can, I can see, I can see the points in all of these. 657 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,520 And you're right, because if you think about some things 658 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,040 these personally I think, I think it should 659 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,920 be banned because I, I'm at that age 660 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,120 where I think anything that's not good for kids should simply be banned. 661 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,800 And I was rebellious, as one might say. 662 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,680 I'm sure lots of teenagers, every teenager you've 663 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,680 you've rebelled at some point in time about something because you used to it. 664 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:57,360 You get to an age where you question why, what, why, why can't I do this? 665 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,280 But over time, habits change. 666 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,920 If we didn't have this, if we if you don't, 667 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,440 if you don't ban it, or if you don't let people know that it's harmful to people 668 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,840 and they should be exposed to this 669 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,840 because they're too young to get know what they're getting into. 670 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,720 Then, 671 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,080 you can't really 672 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,880 start with the education bill, because first of all, the first things 673 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,880 I will tell you, what is not illegal is nothing wrong with it. 674 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,600 So we could we could like on social media. 675 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,000 So anything else that is age restricted, whether it's alcohol, 676 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,880 whether it's underage sex, whether it's drugs, people will rebel, 677 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,400 whether it's driving. 678 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,400 I mean, would you put a 14 year old behind the wheel of a car? 679 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,680 So, I mean, there's even campaigns 680 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,920 as well about that to kind of restrict people of a certain age 681 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,120 for having for carrying passengers or for driving at night 682 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,680 because the number of young people that have died in road accidents. 683 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,480 So I can see where you're coming from, bring things. 684 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,120 That doesn't mean anything is going to be hard to enforce. 685 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,480 I mean, it's been illegal for kids to buy 686 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,840 cigarets and, alcohol for years, but it doesn't stop you from walking up 687 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,000 to the end of license 688 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,880 and seeing kids hanging outside asking if you could buy them alcohol or cigarets 689 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,280 that will always be there, but saving some lives. 690 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,040 I guess this generation coming through seems 691 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,040 to be more concerned about their health 692 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,040 and well-being than previous generations. 693 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,760 So you're seeing less alcohol consumption. 694 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,480 You're seeing more people going for the non alcoholic stuff. 695 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,800 Maybe there are other devices that are picked up by social media. 696 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,120 Well, eventually, over time, I think we'll get to a stage where, 697 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,560 people will understand the dangers of social media and hopefully 698 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,640 they'll be more mature before they get into it. 699 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,640 So but yeah, good conversation. 700 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,680 So I guess for me, I would say maybe the challenge here is you've got channels, 701 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,920 you've got, you got you got channels to be able to spread the word, 702 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,200 to stay true to your values, to share God's love. 703 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,280 And as part of this group, 704 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,400 my call to action for you 705 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,720 would be, how can you stop using the channels we have already? 706 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,560 Because we've got some social media accounts 707 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,560 which say nothing at the moment, because we haven't got anyone to 708 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,080 generate the content that needs to be out there. 709 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,280 Ideally, and certainly the podcast is a good one because this is good content. 710 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,080 Well, we need to probably get better at creating more content 711 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,360 and sharing more content out there to kind of be our own contribution 712 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,800 to silence the fake news, the, toxic stuff that we find out there. 713 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,240 So that's all I'm going to leave you with today. 714 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,440 But, thank you for we we've gone for ten minutes. 715 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,560 This has to be edited down to 30. 716 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,720 So thank you for your contributions today. 717 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:57,640 Okay. 718 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,760 Thank you. Bye. Good luck.