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Welcome to Young

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Voices for Christ, a podcast
brought to you by a passionate group

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of young adults from Crofton Park
Baptist Church here in South London.

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in Brockley.

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Here they come together
to share their faith, explore life's

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big questions, and celebrate
the journey of following Christ.

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Join them as they delve
into inspiring stories, engage

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in discussions and heartfelt reflections,

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all aimed at encouraging
and uplifting your walk with God.

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Whether you're seeking
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just a dose of inspiration,
Young Voices for Christ is here to light

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your path.

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Welcome back.

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In the second part of this discussion,
the group talk more about

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how they would like to improve
their relationship with God.

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For reference, this was recorded
back in June before Father's Day.

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And the question

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is in the context of relationships
with fathers and father figures and how

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that can be templated on our relationship
with our Heavenly Father.

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So let's catch up again where we left off.

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How would you describe your relationship
with God?

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We call God our Father.

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So how would you say
your relationship is with him and

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how would you seek to improve that?

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Chris, what do you
what would you say to that?

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First,
I'm gonna ask you first on this reason why

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I'm asking you first, obviously.

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But I know the day that was.

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I don’t know how to answer that.

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So I'll give you a few cues.

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I did mention,

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Father's Day is coming up,
and I'm going to do the preach.

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But unfortunately, it's not all-age, so,
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say.
When’s Father’s Day?

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The sixteenth.

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Yeah.

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I made you a card.

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Have you.

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What?

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Have you been checking my room? No.

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Okay. Fair enough. Anyway.

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So a couple of days back, I did talk

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about that kind of relationship,

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with the father.

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And I was kind of examining
my kind of relationship with God.

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What has it been up till now?

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So, I mean, if you,

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let's talk

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about the earthly father,
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what's your relationship like

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with your father, grandfather or uncle,

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whoever your father
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And yes I can ask you
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even though I am your father,
and I'm sitting right here.

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Let's make it doubly awkward.

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I don't always get my way.

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You don’t always get.

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I'm doing my job then. We never do.

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But that's interesting.
That was a bit much.

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That's good.

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It's interesting because
when you think about it, it's what Rhian

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was talking about the other time
about praying and what's going on here.

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You don't always get your way,
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good for you, isn't it? Yeah.

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So what about you?

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Would you summarize yours in such a short
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I don't I mean, it's not been easy,
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I think my relationship with
my dad is in a good place.

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My relationship with you my uncle's

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very good, I think.

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Why would you say your relationship with
the dad is in a good place.

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So it wasn't. No.. What made it.

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What helped to make it
get to that stage being in a good place?

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I think communication.

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I think, like, talking about

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how I feel

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and actually being heard
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my dad might feel as well about,
like, things I do

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and actually listening and then taking,
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so you can go somewhere
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Lemara?.

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So from a young age,
I will make it sweet and simple.

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I mean, my dad's
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Very weak.

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Even the days when I had to go down
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I don't know, have a weekend,
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church is when have a lot younger.

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I'll be screaming and crying and say,
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I even faked once being sick so I
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Literally anything.

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I tried to get out of it, but, 
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and it has, become a lot
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because he was the one person
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And really showed me
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like you don't just go to church,
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read the Bible, and then come home
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You need to come into church,
have a change and come out,

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and then keep on living that change
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Wow. Like, okay, so he is the one
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And I must say, I'm
very my relationship’s very mutual.

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You have respect for me,
I have respect for you.

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No boundaries are pushed.

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No boundaries are shoved.

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What you say,
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So what he.

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He teaches me
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I can go to him about it.

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There was even a time when I would
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because I just had that the oppression
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I was just like grr
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love the way that Jesus wants us
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So then I struggled a bit.

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But then, as I learned how to forgive,
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to forgive and to have mercy on others,
just as he has mercy on us.

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That's when I was able to really show
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really say, I love you and mean it.

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So I would say the relationship we have
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I was just thinking
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And this is kind of, for me,

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what that preach is going to be about,
because I think fathers are misunderstood.

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How so?

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And it affects our relationship
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If we call God “our father”.

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You know why I say this?

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Mother's Day, yeah.

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I'm not going to I'm going to [...]
I haven't got much beef about it,

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but you know your Mother's Day breakfast
in bed.

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Flowers.
We all go out to a restaurant we eat.

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Mum doesn't
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Socks.

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It's not about the material things. Yes.

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He is.

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Here’s a thought, breakfast in bed.

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I get healthy food like you're fat.

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Oh, I get, I get healthy food.

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I drive us to a restaurant, to go
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Drive. Chris will drive next time.

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I don't trust your driving, and I'm
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Here's a thing. Right? Communication.

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We don't get that much communication
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Like our father in heaven.

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Yeah, because most of the time,
the communication with dad is do as I say.

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End of.

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But isn't it?

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It is. So. No, I'm not saying I'm
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I'm not blaming children.

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I'm blaming dads as well, because we

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not all dad's are like the same.

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I hear good stories about dads
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and can have conversations, with them
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I grew up in a household,
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grew up in households
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because sometimes you'll see how shocked
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when we're having conversations
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And then Chris was half his height, and
he would just come in between us and go,

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“daddy!, [...]” and I’m like can’t
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they would say they just have that shocked
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Can't you see we're having a conversation?
What's going on here?

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So fathers
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Time, well, time is a big one as well.

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I think it's. Kind of good to have. The.

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Kind of break from constant attention,
because not every person wants constant,

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constant attention.
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that the attention
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And sometimes it's difficult as well

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to actually get to know,
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getting to know fathers can be difficult
when you're a teenager is cringe.

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Yes, I used the word.

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But that’s
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Yep But so when when when you're young,
it's like, oh, hero carries you on

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his shoulders, does all the heavy stuff
kill spiders and stuff like that.

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But when you're older, it's like,
He wants you to do stuff for yourself.

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He hasn't got time to actually
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So you're starting to question things.

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And he's like, no, this is look,
that's dangerous.

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This is wrong.
This is sinful. That is bad.

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Who are those friends, you’re
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and all that kind of stuff.

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So that's another blocker for you
to actually get to know this person.

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But your mum, most of the time, you,
not all the time.

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But most occasions you've got [...]
your mum is the kind of person who,

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you get to know.

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The good cop?
because [...] it's not even that.

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Because even,
even if you don't ask her how

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she's feeling,
your mum will tell you how she's feeling.

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[...].

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But dads might just be there quietly
going, “okay, fine, I'll just go and ...”.

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I think it's.

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Fathers especially.

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Well, to be honest,
if you're a father, you should be married.

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I'm just going to say it.

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I'm just going by
what the Bible says. Okay?

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So don’t fight me no one.

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When you're a father,
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before you even become a father.

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So that's why we say
there's physical father

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and then there's our spiritual father.

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So as a physical father,
you have an assignment over your life to

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to direct your child,
to direct your children to

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who God has placed in your hands
to lead to the kingdom of heaven.

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Right?

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And so it’s like [...]
that's why I understand Father's Day.

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It could be seen as vain even to,

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even birthdays can be seen as vain,
and even Mother's Day can be seen as vain.

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But Fathers Day,

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because they have so much pressure
on that, their heads on their shoulders.

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You're
meant to be in the man of the house.

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You're meant to to walk and talk with God
like you've never walked

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and talked with God before.

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You meant, your known to to do the bills,
to pay this,

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to pay that, to sort out this.

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If there's a plumbing issues,
if there's a lighting issue,

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if you're a part of the church,
you're meant to do that and do this.

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There's a lot on your head,
there's a lot on your shoulders.

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But the thing is, that's
why God has developed men to be strong.

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That's why God has developed men

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to be a certain way,
look a certain way, act a certain way.

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And that's why there's this whole thing
of like a man of God.

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When you're a man of God, you
you make sure that you do things

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that are aligned and assigned into what
God has for you, for your path, right?

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That title always scares me. Yeah, yeah.

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So as long as you're in that line,
you actually be fine

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because it says no weapon formed against
you shall prosper, right?

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It’s like even, like husbands.

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So fathers, if you obviously are a father,
it says in in the Bible

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that husbands shall love their wives
just as Jesus loved the church.

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Do you know, how do you know
how Jesus loved the church like that?

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Do you know mad that is?

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That means you have to worhip your wife.

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It was actually nice to lay down
your life.

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That's like That's even more.

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Literally.

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Literally like, that's even more weight.

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So Father's Day, I would say it shouldn't

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glorify fathers or father figures
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like my father figure for me.

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He's been there for me
since birth till now.

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That's almost 18 years of my life.

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So far, still many more to come.

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Amen, Amen.

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very much like it shouldn't
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that Jesus has placed you in,

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in this life or in the certain position.

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And we're going to thank God for you.

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Yeah. We're not going to
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Because it's
not your breath in your lungs.

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Right. It's
God that gives the breath in your lungs.

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Amen. sister!

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So. I think same with Mother's Day, too.

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We should thank God for the mothers.

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But Fathers Day,
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Because without them, like,

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we wouldn't be. Here.

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I was coming from the kind of relationship
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our father, God in heaven.

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That the maybe our relationships
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is because we're time poor.

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So you don't really get to know us, but,
you know us as “the provider”.

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And are we having that same relationship
with God, our father?

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Are we just getting to know God?

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Our fathers are provider
and that's it. We don't want to know.

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God? Deep and inner.

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We need to have a deeper relationship.

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We need to get to really know
God needs to spend time.

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So ‘cause
he already like you said, he sees us.

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He knows us.

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Sometimes when we pray, when we pray
for stuff, he already knows what we need.

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But do you think there's a reason
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our mother since like,
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people will say God's “he”
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obviously as you were saying
before people see fathers

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as the provider
and mothers is maybe like a nurturer

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That's probably why we have that,

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why we have [...] Maybe that's
why sometimes it's so difficult

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to have relationship with God.

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And Jesus came and showed us the way
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was Adonai, our Lord, gracious, provider,
all that kind of stuff.

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Yeah. But unapproachable.

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You had to go to him through priests
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But Jesus was like, he's our father.

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You pray to him as “Our Father”.

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So that made him that made it, an even, 
a closer relationship.

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Because I guess in Judaism,
whatever they still want not call them

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out of any other religion
because God “Our Father”.

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But like you say, well there's no way
I'm going to call God “Our Mother”.

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I know there's been some Craziness.

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But there's some craziness.

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I don't know whether everything they want

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everything
to be gender neutral in the Bible.

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So what would you call God?

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They? he? No. God.

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You can say God is a father.

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You can say “He”
because Jesus came down as a he.

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Yeah,
but then with the same [...] you wouldn't

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say, God, my mother, you would say,
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God is a mother to the motherless,
and he is a friend to the friendless.

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But I mean,
he is a comfort to those who do you.

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Oh, in the Bible
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But he will comfort you
in your time of need.

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So [...]
You're exactly like he can be a friend.

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That's also great.

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Yeah, but yeah, this has been a

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nice I don't I don't
I could go on for a long time.

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Yeah definitely.

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But yeah we'll have something else
to talk about next time.

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But this has been great.

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Thanks for inviting me
along to be part of your young,

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[...] You're my personal VIP.

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The last time to be young again.

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What are you trying to say?

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I'm. Well, he's always young. He doesn't.

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Look a day past 20.

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Those grey hairs
say something different, please.

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When they call me, It’s in the Bible
that your grey hair’s a sign of wisdom.

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That you should be good.

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That you’re seen as good.

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So when you get your grey hairs. Yeah.

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I got one. Style!

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It got plucked out though by who?

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Yeah, I plucked it out.

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I’ll help you pluck out one or more. Come

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I’ve had my gray hairs since I was seven.

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I haven't [...[ It’s going to cut out.

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Bye! bye!.